Gold Hat

Recently I traveled to Europe: Berlim, Paris and Geneve. A very beautiful travel and very good memories to carry.

In Berlin, in the neues museum, there was this interesting object:

 The picture is not good, so you can´t see that this is a hat! This one I copied from the site of the neuesmuseum:

This interesting hat, made of gold, is from the late bronze age. It was apparently used to convert a solar calendar into a lunar one.

Unfortunately, I don´t speak enough german to understand all the calculations, and not enough memory to remember the numbers, but I think 22 was one of the many numbers used. The Pleiades were also used in the calculation, which seemed very interesting for astrologers.

But, as we are in the age of internet, I could found this entry on wikipedia has some information.

Posted in astrology, Traditional Astrology

Astrology of Kate´s and William´s Marriage

A year ago, I was thinking about writing a book about electional astrology, but of course, life got on the way. Today I am glad I did. For the last few weeks, I have seen time and again that astrologers don´t care about elections or think they are simple.

One of the most obvious reasons is that, as in rectifications, You can´t be wrong in an electional! If the couple divorces, who can say we are the ones to blame? After all, they share the responsability, not the astrologer! But if they keep married, then this is “proof” that we made a good election…  You can´t go wrong with these odds. If you go look on google, you find hundreds of “analysis” of the wedding of William and Kate. Most of them are extremely comic, including comments on “past lives” because of what the south node may or may not be doing. You can´t go wrong if you blame your problems on a past life! But even with traditional astrologers, we don´t have any good text book. We don´t have a Christian Astrology with real life examples. There are no important teachers which are really using traditional texts. Most are just following modern writer Robson which copied almost verbatim from Ramesey. And Ramesey is VERY far away from real traditional sources, like Sahl!

another sect of traditional astrology, emulates problems from modern authors, and are fusing horary and electional astrology as if were one. This is a typical concept of modern astrology: older sources (Gadbury, Sahl, Bonnatti) clearly say that we should use either a natal or horary chart as the “root” of any election. It is the same mentality that leads modern astrologers to use solar returns without the natal chart. Here, traditional astrologers are using the modern mentality while quoting the old sources.

Let´s use this chart as if it were an horary: sun in taurus doesn´t aspect Saturn. Venus is in detriment. Moon is void of course. Awful.

But of course, there will be a wedding. I have often seen  charts that astrologers says that are horrible but lead to great success. For instance, the launches of big successes, like Titanic, you do´t see anything like exalted venus or dignified sun in trine to Jupiter. Astrologers are saying that those factors are essential, but I don´t find them in real charts.

If you have read our series of posts on Obama´s possession, we discussed the many problems of taking an event chart and treated it like an horary. As our older sources told us, connections between natal charts and the event are essential. The same goes for the tests that I made with a sample of patients from heart surgery, with the launch of movies, marriages, etc.

In none of those samples, I saw a case where the results of the electional could be easily explained without reference to  a natal chart.  As Sahl said “We even see certain people rejoice and drink on a bad day and on a day to be feared (namely one of many impediments) and quarrels come together and enter upon them on a good and praiseworthy day.”

Unfortunately I don´t have Kate´s natal chart, but  we have William´s.

Venus in the electional chart is not only in detriment: it is opposite Mars, ruler of the 10th of his natal chart and event chart. The most logical interpretation seems to be “career and fame will damage the marriage”.

See that the “void of course” moon is now trining his natal venus.

In fact I believe the connections between natal and electional (even without´s Kate´s chart) show a much more happy image than the one being pictured by astrologers.

Using visual astrology, we can see another interesting thing in this chart: Saturn will be isolated on the skies: the marriage will be all about law and order. Specially because he will be transiting close to the stars of Spica (family) and Arcturus (royal star).

One last note: about an heir. The moon is trining the ruler of his 5th house, venus. Venus is angular in the event chart.

And, an important note: if we see the previous eclipse chart (important for any mundane endeavor) we see that the “void of course” moon is exactly conjunct the eclipse Jupiter in pisces. My opinion is that this marriage will give an heir and probably will give it very quickly.

Posted in Electional Astrology

Mundane horaries

I found this lovely picture of Mubarak watching the 2006 eclipse. Don´t dictators learn in mundane astrology 101 class in dictatorship school that presidents never should attend a solar eclipse?! For eclipses funs, it is interesting that the mars of 2006 eclipse is opposing mercury of  the January 2011 eclipse (right in the MC of the eclipse)!

Although looking at eclipses is mundane charts is always fun, and the proper method in mundane astrology, there is a questioning if horary charts can provide an answer in mundane matters.

My personal answer is yes. There are several charts, from elections to political problems, that I have seen the right answer. But there are several problems.

1 – Horary is a focused practice. If you are not immediately connected with the question, exactlly why are you asking? Because of “general concern”? It is hard to interpret any horary chart were the motivation of the querent is not clear.  I think that there are several layers of horary, and a person without a personal, concrete, and immediate interest in the results of the horary, will have an horary answer, yes,  but it will be a poor one. Not every chart was made equal: I can do a horary for an important surgery or for a flu, but one will have important planets and parts connected with natal planets, or in angles, etc. The latter will probably have one aspect that maybe will give the timing of the flu, and that´s it.

2 – the second problem is about what to do with the multiple charts that will happen? That is not such a  big problem. As long as two horary charts were made by different persons (the same person asking twice is a sure sign that this is a poor horary), asking with deep concern (and not just because they haven´t made a horary in two weeks and have their Janus itching), they will have the same results in both. But my experience show that this doesn´t mean that they will gave the answer in the same way, or with the same clarity.

So, let´s use the example of Mubarak and two horaries found on forums over the internet.

“When will Mubarak leave?”

As the querent is foreigner, Egypt is their 9th house. The ruler of egypt is the 10th from the 9th, or 6th house, ruled by Mercury. Mercury is in 29 Capricorn. After mercury change signs, it will make a sextile with Jupiter, the people. But usually a significator on the 29th degree of any sign is a important sign of changing. Mubarak will leave. The moon is not technically void, but the only aspect that she is making is to venus, and venus will change signs before the moon can complete these 8 degrees. Again a planet in the 29th degree of a sign is changing.

If we take Venus as significator of Islam, the probability of Egypt becoming an Islamic country seems slim: Venus is out from the sign ruled by Jupiter, and right into his fall. Sahel would say that no planet receives an aspect from the house of his enemies… And the aspect is from square, and Jupiter is in venus detriment!

Will the protesters suceed?

Not only the phrasing of the question is different, I feel the horary is different. According to querent, she asked the question because of “concern with the egyptian people”,  as she has been involved in social activism. So, the focus of the question is not the president of egypt, but the people, felt as “our team”.

The ASC is “our team” and mercury is the egyptian protesters (not necessarily the majority of the egyptian people).  What house rules their enemy? The 7th is not appropriate, as it usually shows a direct, open enemy, of more or less the same situation (as two armies). Street protesters against a president doesn´t fit the bill. We can use the 10th, but unfortunately, the 10th is also ruled by mercury. As there are no planet on the 10th, the best ruler we have is the generic moon (specially as she is the ruler of the next sign after gemini).

Protesters are in the house of the enemies of moon, check. Moon is in the house of the enemies of mercury, check. But what is the result? Moon has just separated from mars, showing the surprising lack of support that Mubarak received from the militaries.

Moon is cadent so, if it this was a “Will I loose my job”, the answer would not be favourable. Literally he is falling. The aspect of the moon is to Saturn. As Saturn doesn´t play an obvious role in the chart, we can only speculate what it means, but I would point that, as Saturn is in the 2nd house (support of  “our team”), the perspective that Saturn would give Mubarak stability would not be strong.

Two questions, two charts, two different answers, same result. Although I would say that it is easier to see the right answer in one than in the other.

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Posted in Astrology of Current events, Horary Astrology, Political astrology, Prediction Techniques in Astrology

Year of the Rabbit and noobs

In the last few weeks, we have seen the whole stupid Ophiucus meme around the net. What this show is not anything new about astrology, as anybody who would visit this blog already knows (I don´t think I will get many hits from sun-sign advice seekers).  What this show is the ridiculous standards that “journalism” have reached. In the new tweeter world, there is no need to check sources, and a stupid meme that is 20 years behind was spread as if was new.

Apparently, in this brave new world of tweets, all you have to do to have a meme (new world that means “hysterical unfounded rumour”) is to have a good title, a facebook “share this” button and an app to “discover your new sign”.

I imagine what would happen if twitter and facebook already existed in 9/11…

But let´s forget about poor Ophiucus, “13th sign” of the astronomers who discovered precession last week, and let´s talk about the coming of the chinese year of the Rabbit, last February 4th. After all, chinese astrology is in the game for 5 thousand years, and no “new sign” will be invented by “journalist” trying to fill an slow news day…

Then try to type on google “year of the rabbit” and the sh#|t will fill your screen. We are informed that “Good taste and refinement will shine on everything and people will acknowledge that persuasion is better than force. A congenial time in which diplomacy, international relations and politics will be given a front seat again. We will act with discretion and make reasonable concessions without too much difficulty.”

Oh, poor chinese astrology!

But if misinformation is not a new strategy in the rhetorical game, neither is laziness. Although ignorance is not a crime, as we all are ignorant of something, there is this important difference between the “newbie” and the “noob”, the ignorant and the lazy.

Noobs and newbies

In online gaming, though those words are similar, they have different meaning:

Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. N00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. (…)Noobs have difficulty reading English and cannot comprehend the idea of authority. Therefore, they have an all-out disregard for rules, basic or not. A good way to identify a noob (bad) vs. a newb (good) is to tell them (or have an authority tell them) which rule they are unknowingly breaking. If they respond with an apology and fix it, they are probably not a noob. If they react by insulting everything around them in rapid noobish and causing general mayhem, it is because they are a noob and have had a small seizure due to their inability to understand what is happening.

Although written in a tongue-in-cheek manner, I find the definition interesting, with several similitudes to the “throll astrologer” that we wrote before. My general opinion is that, in every aspect of society, specially with the students (I am a teacher and know many teachers that would agree with me), we are becoming a society not of ignorants, but worst, of  “noobs”. Astrologers, practioners of feng shui, etc, are the most prone to this problem, but they are in no way the only ones. We can see it everywhere. Doctors will tell you how pacients think they know more than they because they spent 5 minutes looking on wikipedia. Lawyers will tell you that many clients do not look for or trust their legal advice… they come because they saw something in TV last night and want to do the same. It is not important if the procedure is adequate, practical or if even exist. They don´t look for advice, they already checked google.

Students, even of traditional professions, like Medicine, are more and more taking the noob approach. They confuse empty information with knowledge. They don´t want to learn rules or don´t think they apply to them, or that they can bend the rules even before learning them. If something is difficult the teacher is to blame. Christopher Warnock complained one time that students think that is their right to learn anything without effort. So, what about our students of astrology? How does this affects them? It doesn´t… because there is no such thing as a student of astrology. Every astrologer already hatches from its egg as a full formed master in the area. As an area full of noobs, we don´t have apprentices, because we are all masters. And there are no rules, as masters can bend the rules, even when they don´t know them.

Again the Year of the Rabbit

Coming back to chinese astrology. Let´s imagine you are a newbie. You are ignorant, but you are curious. Your ignorance is not a essential characteristic, but an accidental condition. You go out and try to get some information. Most of it will be BS. But then you start to find some authors that really seem to knew what they are talking about and you buy some books. You try what you learn and practice, practice, practice. After a time you are not a newbie, you are an intermediate student, advanced, and then a master. You can even write your own books.

Now let´s see the behavior of your typical noob. The only information that you need is something you read in any cheap book about the “signs”. Then you go and publish in your blog about your knowledge of chinese astrology. You have some positive feedback of other noobs and then you go and enter in a forum of chinese astrology. You fight with all of them. They don´t value your knowledge, or your insights (things that you made up). They all complain that you don´t follow these “rules” that you never heard about it, and who cares about this? Can´t they appreciate what you brought to the table? They are all stupid and ignorant of your contributions! You write a flame letter and tell them how they are close minded and arrogant, and don´t respect “diversity of opinions”. You storm out of the forum and go to a forum where people talk about “real chinese astrology”.

Another type of noob would be the kind that goes into a forum and try to leech whatever they can, but without the trouble of actually reading the things that are already there, and actually practicing them. But that is a topic for another day.

Western Astrology

To me is good to use an example with chinese astrology, as an example with western astrology would be “too close to home”. But everybody with their wits in their heads will be able to fill the blanks. Many times we are talked about those radicals “evolutions” of western astrology. “why don´t you use black holes?”. You don´t know what you are doing, how can you not use Ophiucus or Quiron?”.

Well, my answer is that if I have an interest in astrology. Astrology is there for a long, long time. I am not interest in what somebody wake up one day and started thinking “Hmmm, this could be a very good marketable idea”.

The same way that, when I wanted to study chinese astrology, I went for real Bazi and Zi Wei do shu authors, not the “rabbits are docile” crap. When I buy a book of jyotish astrology, I want somebody that really lean it as practiced in India, not some author that is “reinventing” hindi astrology. And when I want to learn feng shui, I want to learn the chinese feng shui. I don´t want the “Spiritual” version invented by americans.

But, hey, that´s me. We are in the age of realities shows, better to invent your own “school” of chinese, jyotish or chinese astrology, even if the only follower is yourself.

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Oscar 2011

Oscar season is again upon us. Last time I bet on the wrong horse. Let´s see if I have better luck this year.

(Of course, every astrologer bet on the wrong horse now and then… but is worse when we use the wrong time! I used the time of the beginning of the oscar 8 pm EST, but in the PST time zone… so my chart was several hours wrong).

Assuming I am not making another mistake this year: the chart below is cast for Hollywood, Oscar begins at 5 pm PST, and will go for 3h30-3h40 if they follow previous airtimes. The best movie award is the main award of the night and given in the final minutes, so my estimate is at 8:30 pm PST.

Before looking at the chart, let´s try to find significators. Unfortunately, now Best Film has 10 nominations, making our job so much harder! So, we will use only the favorites on oddschecker.

Social Network: maybe saturn in the sign of air of Libra.

The King´s speech: “he story of King George VI of Britain, his impromptu ascension to the throne and the speech therapist who helped the unsure monarch become worthy of it.” Probably sun in the mute sign of pisces, with mars.

The fighter: “As a welterweight from the wrong side of the tracks, Irish-American Dicky Eklund is the pride of working class Lowell, Massachusetts. Living in his shadow is his younger half-brother and sparring partner, ‘Irish’ Micky Ward.”

True grit: “A tough U.S. Marshal helps a stubborn young woman track down her father’s murderer”. The plot seems again with mars and sun. Maybe venus or moon in Capricorn.

Black Swan: “A ballet dancer wins the lead in “Swan Lake” and is perfect for the role of the delicate White Swan – Princess Odette – but slowly loses her mind”. A ballerina would be venus, but the focus on doupleganger and mental illness suggests me more of a moon theme.

Unfortunately, there are two planets really close to the angles: Saturn and moon. Hollywood fans who plan to watch the Oscars live will be able to guess, a few minutes before, which one of the two will be closest.

Of course, the Social Network has a great advantage over Black Swan (2/5 to 40 at oddschecker), and as the two movies are activated astrologically, common sense says that the favorite will take the prize.

There is also this Jupiter which is making an aspect to fortuna. I prefer the angles to an aspect to fortuna, but is worth noticing. The only movie I can think at the moment which would be Jupiter in aries is “Inception”. Any other suggestions?

Posted in Astrological Predictions, Astrology of Current events

Problems with astrometeorology

Hi, everybody, long time no see.

For some reason, the blog is not working on Google Chrome, only on Firefox. I believe this is a problem with wordpress. When you log on you should be able to see the blog in three columns. If you see a huge “white” space in the middle and then the content is way below, then try changing to Firefox.

I was studying Astrometeorology for some time and wanted to share some thoughts and frustrations about it.

Modern Astrometeorology

Modern astrometerology is not as bad as modern astrology. When you are dealing with the climate you don´t have space for pretentious and obnoxious statements like “oh, to me astrology should be about spiritual development”.

The weather alternativa will study every single Astrocartography line in a map. And will use several maps. Ingresses, eclipses, lunations… As common in modern astrology, the “gold” is in the action of modern planets uranus, neptune and pluto. Poor wet moon has little to say compared to attention seeker neptune. I like this blog because he always predicts BEFORE the fact (which should be obvious, but it is not). But to tell the truth, I am not sure how much of the time he is correct. I know that trying to emulate his method could be very complicated. Too many charts, too many lines, and too many things happening at each and every moment.

But as always, my focus is on traditional astrology. We have no example in traditional sources. Nina Gryphon tried traditional astrometeorological analysis for some time, but she is the only I know. Unfortunately there are some “authorities” that claim to use traditional techniques but in fact were based only on modern authors like C. Zain and will say that Jupiter is a “dry” planet, so I rather not comment or link to the so called authority.

Kim Farnell gives a basic introduction to astrometerology. She doesn´t give her sources, so I believe she is following only C. Zain. It should be considered modern astrology, because as far as I know most of those rules have no appearance in any traditional source.


Frawley has a little chapter about it in the Real Astrology (p.139-143). He gives no examples or methodology, and he never wrote about it anywhere else, so I believe he never tried it in practice. Almost everything is the same as in every other source (look at lunations, ingresses, etc), but his advice on delineation is below:

– If possible, do a horary question, which is simpler (I agree with that).

-Look at angular planets (e.g, Jupiter for rain)

– Look at fixed stars on the ASC. There is a huge difference between a star of Jupiter nature exactly on the Midheaven and the same star just a degree or two away.

– Occultation of fixed stars (Frawley doesn´t say how this can be used for a specific location – it is obvious that any occultation will effect worldwide).

– After having a broad outlook, you can use ingresses for each of the signs, and the charts for the four quarters of the moon.

– The weather day by day can be determined by the distance between aspecting planets in the previous charts; by the rising and setting of fixed stars (heliacal rising, probably),  and by a chart for sunrise of the day (no exemplification offered).

-He suggests the use of the following arabian parts

  • Winds (ASC + Dispositor Mercury – Mercury);
  • Fire and Heat (ASC + Mars – Sun),
  • Clouds (ASC + Saturn – Mars);
  • Rains (ASC + Venus -Moon);
  • and Cold (ASC + Saturn – Mercury)

As Frawley doesn´t give any real example, it is hard to have any sense of hierarchy and methodology in his system (if he has one). Of course, he is not the only one, and all the examples above have the same problem. For instance:

1 – if we are going to use the ingress and the previous lunation, which one of them have priority? In what sense we should “look at them two”? Should we mix indications? Imagine that the ingress has a strong Jupiter, and the previous lunation has a strong mars. Can we say that we will see rains and thunderstorm? If one promises rain and the other chart is dry, it will be “just mild” ? Should the two charts confirm each other to have any result besides what is common on the region?

2 – Frawley gives the example of Jupiter in pisces as a “wet jupiter”. Obviously Jupiter will stay in pisces for at least a whole year, and it is doubtful that it will rain all over the world more than normal. Jupiter in pisces is a worldwide event, and a long one at that. We often find this problem in traditional sources like Mashallah.

3 – How can we differenciate the mundane events from the astrometeorological? An angular mars can be public unrest, but also a thunderstorm?

4 – The ingress of the sun into Libra should say about the weather for three months. The ingress of the sun into Scorpio should say a little about this solar month. Is it a problem that some months are ruled by two ingress charts (one for the station and other for the month), while the first month of the station (e.g. Libra) is ruled only by the ingress in Libra?

As I told before, this is not a criticism of Frawley: these are questions that I haven´t found answered on the tradition so far. So, we will have to dig deeper.


Bonatti in “On Rains” (Dykes translation – p 1417-1453) have a rather simple method compared to other authors:

– Look at the new and full moon.

– See which planet is aspect the degree of the lunation (or, if you want to be more precise, he usually says to look which planet will the moon aspect after the lunation).

– You will combine the indication of the planet with the lunar mansion in which the lunation occurred and the lunar mansion in which the aspected planet is!

Bonatti obviously mention other techniques, like ingresses, but he doesn´t seem to be committed to them. What he really seems to be interested is on the interpretation of the lunations on the mansions of the moon.

The use of the lunar mansions is interesting. A lunation will always happen in the same sign each month, but not necessarily will happen at the same moon mansion. If we consider the planet that the lunation aspects, and the lunar mansion of this aspected planet, we have a lot more information. But, of course, this is a general information and we have no way to know if our prediction of a “wet month” will be valid for India or for California.

When discussing Ptolemy, Bonatti says to use the almuten of the ascendent of the lunation quarters. This would be a hint, but it seems that Bonatti is discussing Ptolemy more due to respect than something that he is personally suggesting. Anyway, this is the only hint of how to make those indications more “local”.

Mashallah  – “Chapter of the rains in the year” and “On Rains”  (Dykes translation – p. 309-323).

How to look for “local” influences? Mashallash says to use the term ruler of the ASC of the ingress into Aries. For instance “if the owner of the year was found to be Jupiter, and it were made unfortunate by one of the unfortunate planets, then the rains will lessen and there will be no deterioration in the atmosphere or the winds like there was with the corruption of mercury”

To him, moon, venus and mercury indicate abundance of rains and sun, mars and saturn prohibit the rains (except if Saturn is in a sign of rains). I am not sure what he thought about Jupiter.

Mashallah has an interesting technique, that I haven´t find in other authors: He says to look at the moon in the lunation chart. If she is with venus or mercury, then it will rain at that month. “And if you want correction of that, then if the moon, when it has reached the stakes and is connected with Venus or mercury, then in that day it rains”.  This seem an interesting technique, specially for our modern global times. We can cast the chart for the several lunations and ingresses and wait for the moon to reach the angles. This both avoid the problem of non-locality of the ingress chart, and the problem of using the same time (meaning the planets in the same position) for the condition of every part of the globe.

It is interesting that Mashallah first recommend to use the ingress of the sun into Scorpio. After that, he talks about the usual ingresses. Why is the ingress into scorpio so important? No explanation that I know about, but Bonatti also quotes this ingress, so I can only imagine that his sources also talked about it. In page 316, instead of the ingress into scorpio, he says that the chart should be casted for the ingress into the 19th degree of Scorpio (same degree commented in Bonatti).

“when the sun enters the first minute of the twentieth degree of Scorpìo, take the ascendant. If it were a watery sign, and if it were a watery sign, and the moon is in a watery one, and likewise venus, the beginning of winter will be raining and the end moistening.”

Most of the indications used by Mashallah are not useful for us: “if venus is in a watery sign”, “if venus is oriental” are not very local indications. And, if are using the ingresses charts that he indicates, well, venus will be oriental for the whole world, Saturn will be in cancer for two and a half years, etc. But Mashallah seems to think that the heavy planets are good indicators of the general weather, despite their slowness: “know the signs of the heavy planets, namely whether they are hot or cold. Which if they were hot, it will signify heat in the summer, but the temperateness of the air in the winter(…) if the heavy planets were all oriental, they will signify dryness, and if they were all occidental, they signify a multitude of rains in the winter….” (p. 303)

On page 302 (On the Roots of Revolutions) he says that eclipses of the moon in the cold signs brings cold, in water signs brings rains, if the season supported it. If it were summer, than it will signify the temperateness of the air.


Partial conclusions

I am still studying Abu Mashar, and I want to have a look at Morin and Ptolemy, but untill now, I can say that:

– the ancients seem to have little worry about locality. The fact that Jupiter will be in pisces for a whole year, for the whole world, doesn´t seem to bother then much. The times were not global then, and it probably was very difficult to know if it was raining 200 km east of where you were. To worry about the weather in India would probably not be in their minds.

– The suggestions about locality are not coherent between authors: Bonatti says to use the almuten of the quarters, but do not explain how. Mashallaw says to use the term ruler of the ascendant of the ingress chart. Mashallah would use transits to the angle of a lunar chart as a “Trigger” of the promises of that chart for that specific place on earth.

– Many of the factors quoted as “traditional astrology” (for instance “look at the 4th house”), don´t seem to be commented by these two traditional source and should not be treated as automatic truths. I didn´t find reference of using the ingresses into other signs (like gemini), or to fixed stars. But apparently this method is used in vedic astrology.


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Chinese electional astrology

I recently made a post about how Natal astrology is not horary. I think most of traditional astrologers would just nod and agree with the purpose of that post.

But my second point probably will not face much agreement: that electional astrology is not horary. It is not “the same thing in reverse”!

Of course, we can find several quotes on traditional sources of authors saying you should treat electional with the same rules as horary… but as far back in time you go, it is easier to see the differences.

I have discussed some logical problems of confusing electional with horary in these articles: Air crashes, Electional astrology and the principle of reality, and ELECTIONAL ASTROLOGY AND “BEAR ALARM” SYSTEMS

But now I would like to add another point. Other systems of astrology simply don´t follow the western quest of “doing it in reverse”.

In my articleMuhurta I showed that yiotish astrology doesn´t use the practice of “reversing” horary or natal charts do look for a good electional chart. Instead they look for tithi (lunar days favourable or not for a particular activity), nakshatras, weekdays, yogas, and only then they will even think on looking for a particular configuration.

This is only logical, as yiotish astrologers really do practice astrology. Let´s compare with what an western astrologer would do to sell a house. First he would crazy about what is the “house that rules house selling”. After he would obcessively look for several months and possible ascendents, then he would start to obcess with every possible house: “oh, my god, the 6th house is bad… if I sell at this time, my dogs will suffer!”

How would an yiotish astrologer act? He would look among the available time to act an tithi and nakshatra that would be feasible for his purposes. For instance, he could use a “dynamic” nakshatra, good for trading (for moving into the house a “fixed” nakshatra would be better). He would avoid the bad “Rikta” tithis, and look for a more auspicious tithi, like Jaya or Poorna.

Chinese electional astrology.

In chinese electional astrology we have the same principle. Instead of using the principles of analysis of BaZi (chinese astrology method known as the 4 pillars) and just “using it in reverse” trying to find a “good chart”, they use more or less the same principles that are forgotten in western astrology:

  • eliminate the really bad days
  • eliminate the days that are afflicting the natal chart
  • focus on the days that are auspicious for the kind of work that you have in mind.

As I am not an expert on chinese astrology, I will only make an abstract, but the reader can look for other information on or on books on the topic, for instance Joey Yap´s “The art of date selection”.

Year breaker days and month break days– these dates are general for everybody in the world. If possible, one will look to avoid these dates. If not possible, one will look for a less bad day between the year and month breakers.

How do you find the break days? The break day is when the “chinese animal” of the day (in fact the division of the chinese 5 elements into 12 earthly branches), is direct opposite the animal that represent the year or the month. For instance, in 2010 we are in the year of the Tiger, and all days of monkey will be year breaker days.

Personal breaker day – this is a more personalized day, which is bad only for you, not for everybody else. It is a day that is direct opposite to your chinese year animal. If you were born on the year of the Dragon, every day of the Dog will be a personal breaker day.

Robbery, Calamity and Annual Sha days.

These are days that bring some specific unfortunate results. Robbery bring, well, you know. Don´t travel on robbery day or the airline will lost your luggage. Women shouldn´t go on a first date with a strange on calamity days because there is a connotation of violence and rape. Annual sha days are days of procrastination and delays.

After we have avoided the worst dates, both mundane and personal, we will try to find a good date for our project. One of the easiest methods is 12 officers. Every 12 days will have a particular meaning in the same order. They will be  Establish, Remove, Full, Balance, Stable, Initiate, Destruction, Danger, Success, Receive, Open and Close days in that order.

For instance, you can use a remove day to begin a demolition or filing for divorce. Iniciate days are good for beginnings but not for traveling. Receive days are good for receiving money and selling, but not for burial or medical treatment, etc.

As I hope the reader could see, chinese date selection technique have a lot in common with the yiotish muhurta, and nothing in common with the western approach of “doing it in reverse”.

Unfortunately the traditional pieces of electional astrology in the western tradition, like the moon mansions, were all but lost.

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